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Torch Lake Township

Author Thread: August 2007 Board Meeting - Reassessment Continues
Lynn Torkelson
August 2007 Board Meeting - Reassessment Continues
Posted: Thursday, August 16, 2007 7:44 PM

The Torch Lake Township Board met for its monthly meeting at 6:30 p.m. on Wednesday, August 15. The meeting took place in the comfortable Osceola Township offices instead of the Point Mills quonset hut. All board members except Denise Lepisto attended: she could not make it because of a business meeting in Green Bay.


Progress Report on Reassessment


Assessor Matt Arko set up a visual presentation, projecting images from his computer onto a large screen at the front of the room. He showed everyone attending the meeting how the outlines of the township parcel boundaries look when superimposed over satellite images of the township. The software he demonstrated allows the assessors (and, eventually, everyone else) to view the information in layers, allowing the viewer to obtain visual depictions of all kinds of geographic information over actual images of our township.


Matt showed us how one can zoom in to see roads and buildings, allowing the assessors to find and document the improvements to each parcel. When the information for a parcel is in the system, you can click on the location of that parcel on the map and bring up all the information recorded for that parcel, including photographs of all the buildings taken by the reassessment teams. At the conclusion of the reassessment, citizens will be able to obtain all this information at a nominal cost for viewing on home computers.


The 911 layer, which will show fire numbers and driveways, is still not available (Matt said it should have been turned over last September), but will eventually prove very useful to both the assessors and first responders.


Those of us at the meeting saw examples of the sharp digital photos of homes and outbuildings taken by the reassessment teams that will be available on the computer. We also saw how the software draws building perimeters and calculates the exact square footages enclosed.


So far, the reassessment teams have visited about 1300 of 2100 parcels. At this pace, Matt estimated that the field work will finish in October. Of course considerable office work will still be needed to turn the raw data collected by the teams in the field into a complete reassessment, but the first phase of the effort will be complete.


Assessor Dave Peterson explained that reassessment teams are now working in the Point Mills, Bootjack, and Jacobsville areas, and are just starting around Rabbit Bay. Sadly, one team member had a heart attack and is being replaced.


Supervisor Brian Cadwell talked with Don Bode of the State Tax Commission, and Don expressed great satisfaction with the progress of the TLT reassessment. Don feels that DPM is getting our township's tax records into better shape than any township he knows of. Soon the state will be demanding that all townships shape up, and Torch Lake Township will be ahead of the game, perhaps setting the standard for others.


Deficiencies in Existing Tax Records


During the course of the reassessment, DPM has uncovered many discrepancies in the existing records. Matt estimated that the owners of 7-10% of the parcels on the tax maps are not recorded in township records. Furthermore, many buildings have been found on land previously classified as "vacant."


When the owners of previously untaxed parcels or improvements are identified, they will be billed for up to three years of back taxes. Further back than that, the law allows them to keep the money they have taken from other taxpayers.


Because of the large number of unknown parcel owners, the township is requesting that the state grant extra time to complete the reassessment of those particular parcels. Each of those parcels will require additional time, perhaps considerable time, for research.


Rice Lake Property Unsold


In response to my question about the Rice Lake property, Brian explained that it had not sold even though it is now being advertised at a lower price and as available either as one 200-foot lot or as two 100-foot lots. The agent plans to place a larger ad, emphasizing a "motivated seller."


Hubbell Fire Department Status


Chief Don Beauchamp is back and reported on the status of the HVFD. Fifteen responders received training and state certification on using the Jaws of Life. Boundaries have been established and the responders are on call.


The HVFD has been successful seeking grant money for which no matching funds are required, including grants for special training. The department now has 20 responders, many young, and plans to have a total of 21. Don will provide the roster to the board.


The HVFD has received six 800-mhz radios, but needs twelve more because they have lost the use of their older system (a result of the changes made by Houghton County in the way 911 is supported). The radios cost $1500 each, but the HVFD can get them for $300 each because of an 80% grant. The board authorized the HVFD to spend $3600 from its own budget for those addition radios.


Brian discussed the status of the easement needed to build an addition to the Hubbell Community Center to house the Jaws of Life and the HazMat equipment. It turns out the MDOT holds an easement, but does not actually own the right-of-way in question. MDOT does not even know who really owns the property.


However, MDOT will permit the township to build on its easement, and Brian will have the township's attorney file the documents necessary to allow the building to proceed. The board authorized both the attorney's work and the construction of the addition (in consultation with the building committee). Brian emphasized the need to complete this work before winter.


Water Problems


A public meeting will be scheduled sometime in late September to lay out options for guaranteeing an adequate supply of water for drinking and for fighting fires. Engineer Dick Supina will attend.


Brian reported that the sewer improvement project will be put up for bids soon. Rules have been changed so that people on the public water system can have up to two meters for water used solely for gardening or watering lawns. (That water does not go down the sewer, so is exempt from sewer charges.)


Lake Linden has committed to pay the $39,000 it still owes the LOST water authority. At this point, however, Lake Linden is still working through the problems caused by the recent embezzlement.


Refuse Collection


Clerk Karen Rovano reported the results of the 2007 weight study: Torch Lake - 71%, Schoolcraft - 29%. Future costs will be allocated between the townships on that basis. This result is only slightly different from the 72% - 28% ratio previously in effect.


The board approved Tony Burcar's $4800 bid to repair and (partly) repaint the spare garbage truck. The funds are available because of the increase in the garbage collection fee.


Karen said that Schoolcraft Township did not agree to a 50-50 split of the costs of fixing up the spare garbage truck. When the spare truck is eventually sold, Torch Lake will recover 72% of the sale price, so the Schoolcraft folks figure these repairs should be allocated in the same ratio.


Other Items


A number of other items and issues were discussed and addressed by the board. Among them were the following:

  • Because of the state budget crunch, prisoners will no longer be available for public work details.
  • Charter Cable is expanding its lineup on September 12, adding more high-definition channels.
  • Traffic crossing the lift bridge will be rerouted for about a month starting September 17 to allow for bridge repairs and maintenance.
  • After complaints by the township, Houghton County classified two structures as hazardous, one in Hubbell and one on Lower Point Mills Road. The owners will be able to rebut that finding before the hearing officer on August 29.
  • Karen Rovano moved that the township adopt a formal investment policy and submitted a sample policy used by other townships. The board approved the investment policy as submitted.
  • At the request of the auditor, the township formally approved the budget amounts established for special funds.
  • A Tractor Parade will be held on both September 8 and 9 between the Historical Society and the Lake Linden park. The sheriff will provide traffic control.
  • The creek storm drains will be cleaned for a cost of about $200.
  • At the request of citizens at the meeting, Brian will look into getting traffic lines painted on Upper Point Mills Road past the Dollar Bay bridge, continuing the lines painted on the Osceola Township portion of the road. The big hill there was identified as a particular safety concern.
  • The Bootjack FRD auxiliary paid off the balance due on the rescue truck.
  • Brian reported that the State Police will retain its presence in Calumet at the same strength. Because of the state budget crunch, however, the location of the headquarters might change. Further, no officers will be replaced when they retire or resign.

Next Board Meeting

 

The next Torch Lake Township board meeting will be held at 6:30 p.m. on Wednesday, September 19, in the Hubbell Community Center.


Lynn Torkelson


Comments:

Author Thread:
smithmi
Pay to view public records?
Posted: Friday, August 17, 2007 9:19 AM

http://www.collierappraiser.com/

 

Check this one out.  Go to the "GIS MAP" and compare what was presented at the meeting.  This assessor information is FREE.  Why should township citizens pay for public information.  I feel that is what the contract appraiser should provide as part of the contract.

Lynn Torkelson
Pay to view public records?
Posted: Friday, August 17, 2007 10:23 AM

smithmi,


I too am looking forward to the day the TLT tax records go online, but that's not going to happen right away. In the meantime, it seems to me that providing the information on DVDs will be a great service to the township.


I don't look at it as paying for public information, but rather as paying for the media that the information comes on and for copying the information.


In my experience, I've often paid nominal copying charges to obtain paper copies of public information. I don't quite see how this is any different.


Lynn Torkelson

smithmi
Pay to view public records?
Posted: Friday, August 17, 2007 10:42 AM

I believe government mandates are in place to compurterize this information and grant available to do it. 

 

I do agree with you and think the assessors are doing a fine job bringing the values up todate.   From what was reported it looks like there are more than Margaret and the selected others sliding on the assessments. I think it's kinda funny all those vocal folks that have "vacant" land in the Twp. and those that don't record sales.  Payback can be hell.

yocal
Rice Lake Lots
Posted: Tuesday, August 21, 2007 9:29 PM

 

Can anyone tell me the dimensions of the Rice Lake property?  I see you now have it listed as two parcels, hopefully someone with the township is familar with the rules set forth in Michigans Land Division Act. 

 

 

Lynn Torkelson
Rice Lake Lots
Posted: Tuesday, August 21, 2007 10:31 PM

yocal,


You can see the lot dimensions of the Rice Lake lots in these online listings:

MLS# 221332:  Full parcel


MLS# 222019:  Split parcel #1


MLS# 222020:  Split parcel #2

Lynn Torkelson

Lynn Torkelson
Sewer Improvements
Posted: Tuesday, August 21, 2007 11:34 PM

yocal,

 

I read your post regarding the July board meeting. I'm sure the board has no intention of extending the sewer system throughout the township. From what I have seen, the board's focus is, as you say it should be, on fixing the infrastructure problems that already exist.

 

I have a septic tank myself (it's time to have it pumped out again next month) and so do all my neighbors. Nice as it would be to have a sewer system here, I don't expect to live to see it!

 

Lynn Torkelson

smithmi
Outhouses Rule TLT
Posted: Wednesday, August 22, 2007 8:30 AM

YOCAL

 

Outhouses Rule TLT appears to be the way of the future and should be the headlines of the local paper.  Government grant available to upgrade the systems?  The whole township needs to be assessed for the utility development into the future.  You know modern times are here, you don't live in the backwoods anymore.

cooker
Outhouses Rule TLT
Posted: Wednesday, August 22, 2007 11:01 AM
Your views are a breath of fresh air.  Keep 'em coming.  Hopefully, when the assessing job is done our township will benefit from some of the illegal homesteading that has been done.  Let's keep a close watch to see what the current board does with any additional money available.  It may be touchy when the Chief  is defending illegal homesteading of his family.  Interesting that our schools suffer from the loss of these monies and now he is the president of the school board.  Takes a lot of ???? (something) to maintain that position when he KNOWS that this isn't legal.

yocal
Outhouses Rule TLT
Posted: Wednesday, August 22, 2007 4:57 PM

Mr. Smith,

 

I agree modern times are here, and privies are not an acceptable means of sewage disposal, however we must look at reality and realize that running municipal utilities to the entire township is simply not going to happen.  I would support it whole heartedly if it were a possiblity, but it is simply not. 

 

Government grants are hard to come by, look into the towns of trimountain, baltic, franklin township, quincy hill, all areas that are in desparate n e e d  of municipal service and struggle to get the funding, 20-30 years in some cases. 

 

Your proposed newspaper headline is comical... i can assure you that residential construction and outhouses do not go hand in hand. 

 

If money were available I think it would be a great idea to assess the township for future utility development, but times are tough right now, and we have a hard enough time keeping up with what we have. 

 

If you are full of ideas then please help the twp, find ways to conquer the problems they currently have, rather than pointing out things you see as inadequate.  Those of us who live up here know we are living in modern times, and we know that other areas are better organized, and provide more services, we visit these places occasionaly, and always come back UP.

yocal
Rice Lake Lots
Posted: Wednesday, August 22, 2007 5:11 PM
Thanks for the listing info Lynn, hopefully all goes well with the sale.

smithmi
Rice Lake Lots
Posted: Thursday, August 23, 2007 7:52 AM

Government auction of Real Estate.  Example of successful process to dispose of excess government property.  It may be useful in the sale of Rice Lake property.  If the Twp. sells the property what type of deed will they use to convay the site, quite claim or warranty.

 

http://mdotwas1.mdot.state.mi.us/public/excessproperty/Auctions/index.cfm

smithmi
Outhouses Rule TLT
Posted: Thursday, August 23, 2007 8:07 AM

YOCAL

 

I understand your concerns.  Money can be obtained.  It just takes the will of the people.  I don't live in the towns you have listed therefore I'm not that concerned about their situtations and lack of motivation to correct their situtation.  TLT seems to have had funding problems for may years, refusing to address the issue.  From what I have seen it is a result more of wanting to keep outsiders out and maintaining a cloud over the workings of the local government.  Once the government is operated in a transparent way with the light of truth shinning, cockroaches will scramble.  Haves vs. have nots with many crying about the outsiders taking over, the government not providing jobs; many just laying around waiting for their unemployment to run out (can't look for work or start a business cause they are on vacation) or living on the welfare handout because they lack motivation, education, or willing to accept responsibility for their own lives.

Black Ice
Outhouses Rule TLT
Posted: Thursday, August 23, 2007 10:09 AM

Mr Smithmi,

 

It appears the light is beginning to shine on you also, and YOUR transparency is beginning to show.  You say you don't live in the towns Yocal mentioned so you don't care about them, yet you care SO much about TLT?  Wait a minute, you don't live here either!  Hmmm...  now that seems odd.  Oh yeah, wait a minute...  You're planning to move up here - SOMETIME!

 

So you want the LOCAL taxpayers to foot the bill so you can have it all proper and pretty when you deem the place worthy of your presence and all your BRILLIANT ideas?  I don't think so...

 

Your apparent characterization of the locals as lazy, ignorant leeches on society is absolutely appalling, sir.  While some up here may fall into that category (as is true everywhere), the majority are upright, hardworking folks who, I might add, carved out this little place we like to call HOME!  You sir, are TRULY an outsider and I for one hope to God you stay that way. 

 

Take a look at the majority of the population up here and their general financial status.  NOT wealthy, by any means.  Not wealthy enough to pave the roads to YOUR possible vacation home, run all the usual public utilities to YOUR place, etc, etc.  I think YOU should foot the bill for that!  Where are YOUR tax dollars going?

 

Oh, that's right...  somewhere else.

 

When the light of day shines, it shines on everyone.

smithmi
BI-I apologize for offending
Posted: Thursday, August 23, 2007 11:27 AM

You bet I have become comfortable with flushing my toilet and not having to swim in the stuff, I like my gas company, cable TV and Computers.  When I retire and join "your" community I'd like those things to continue.  I have looked at all the economic information and have to ask the question, Why is TLT one of the poorest areas in the state, why the historically poverty.  Could it be the motivation of the people who live there, satisfied with a low standard of living?  I think not.  Have vs. have nots, maybe.  Fear of "outsiders",  Ya I think so.  So may people do not want to take personel responsibility, Skateing on their taxes, working jobs under the table, complaining that the government isn't treating them right or giving them biggest enought handouts.  My knowledge of the poor, they have no problem buying a 40oz or 12 pack and a bag of dope, but many will not pay their bills and expect someone else to do it.

 

My statement on the looks of the place up M-26 was to correct missconceptions that improvement to the exterior will increase your taxes.

 

Shine the light on me and you'll find an ethicial citizen that works for a living, pays my fair share of taxes (TLT non-homesteaded vacant property) and has obtained my stuff the old fashion way earned it all. 

 

BI if you dare stop hiding behind a screen name,  I'll match you information for information.  Name, address, E-mail. etc.  You up to it?

spam
BI-I apologize for offending
Posted: Thursday, August 23, 2007 9:09 PM
My goodness Mr. Smith, I think you really need an update on conditions of TLT outside & away from M-26  proper.  Take a tour of all the area of TLT outside of $Bay east toward the lake, another tour outside of Lake Linden south & east and check out how pitifully all of those people are forced to live in such " abject poverty".  Last time I looked, they had flush toilets that did not force you to swim in the stuff, had gas companies that delivered to their doorsteps, a great cable system for most & dishes for those who don't have cable & a very reliable electric power co. so if a computer was wanted, it could be installed easily.  The beauty of their homesteads & surrounding yards along with their many toys, which by the way they own personally, doesn't seem to hold true with your misconception of this group of slackers who are trying to look POOR so they could  get away without paying their proper share of taxes to the township.  They seem to be an outstanding group who are very proud of what they have earned by the sweat of their own brows.  God bless them for being willing to do their part toward the betterment of TLT for one & all. 

gma_gee03
loafers
Posted: Friday, August 24, 2007 12:55 AM

i think we have the hardest working people up here for the lowest pay

and when people leave here to work have no problem finding work

but when companys keep moving out or laying off what are people to do

i dont see anyone trying to get companys to move up here

they want to keep it green and unspoiled so they can have thier summer homes

there are  people willing to work and work hard  but where are the jobs

the jobs here dont pay what they would down state

and there arnt very many welfare bums up here

i dont think you will go very far with attitude you have about us hicks

its a shame when someone works hard all week and cant have a beer and a bag of chips

             

 

 

                 gee

                 

           

     

                    

                    

                  

 

smithmi
I give up, you are correct.
Posted: Friday, August 24, 2007 7:56 AM
Thanks for pointing out my narrow views.  You are truly gathering together now.  Guess the getto life is getting to me.

gma_gee03
I give up, you are correct.
Posted: Friday, August 24, 2007 11:14 AM

maybe it is time you moved out of the getto

 

 

        gee

trusty
BI-I apologize for offending
Posted: Friday, August 24, 2007 9:04 PM

smithmi:

You say things like this and then you wonder why they don't want "outsiders".  Who are you to judge how they live?  How do you know?  Ever heard the term "can't judge a book by its cover"? What is your definition of poverty? A job that pays less than $50,000 per year?   Ignorant attitudes like yours are not needed here, nor are they welcome.  Stay down below.  Apparently from your point of view, it is much better there.  I am glad I don't know your real name. I may know some relatives or friends who live here.  I bet they would like to know what you really think of them.

tigger
BI-I apologize for offending
Posted: Saturday, August 25, 2007 4:47 PM

Smithmi

As you can see, the loacls are extremely thin-skinned.  They stress how hard -working they are and how tough it is to make a decent wage for that work. Notice that they avoid speaking of the underhandedness by so many property owners when it comes to paying their share of taxes, and the generosity of previous assessors and their failure to maintain records, which cost us 220K.

 

Oh my yes.  They can be so blind and yet so righteous, especially if one is Chairman of the Schoolboard, President of a secret foundation, and chief of a Department choking on money & asking for more from the taxpayers, all the while dodging your own tax reponsibilities. 

 

 

Black Ice
BI-I apologize for offending
Posted: Saturday, August 25, 2007 5:41 PM
It appears Smithmi is a little thin-skinned as well...  poke him a little and watch him squirm.  It figures...  all fun and games to gig the locals from afar, isn't it?  I figured as much.

gma_gee03
BI-I apologize for offending
Posted: Saturday, August 25, 2007 10:34 PM

i know the taxes are a mess. i never said they were not

but i dont think it is right to call people up here welfare bums

seems that is what he thinks we are

but i sure would have liked to see him get by on the wages up here

that is if he could find a job

you know most of the flat landers think we are hicks up here any way

now i didnt say all of them

but i would like to see how far out of line the assessments were

mite be interesting

     

 

            gee

Take your meds
BI-I apologize for offending
Posted: Monday, August 27, 2007 2:12 PM

trusty,

 

Go back to the post dated May 07, 2007 9:11 AM, This smithmi fellow tells us who he is.Very common name for this neck of the woods.Just another rable rouser to add to the long list of  crazies we have residing up here. They make the world such a better place.

 

Meds

smithmi
BI-I apologize for offending
Posted: Thursday, August 30, 2007 9:33 AM

Hi again,  Older names reappearing, I like the various opinion you all express, opening up all sides. Only thin skin I have is that which occurs to you when you get older.

 

What's this I hear about someone on M-26 with a pig pen and pigs in the front yard on the highway. Good impression for tourist?

I've been hearing some good things about the ''new' assessors.  Maybe some income can be recovered from the fines and such that can be levied on those that are not paying their fair share of taxes.  Could finance the assessor contract.

 

I've imparted most of my real estate/governmental knowledge, now I'm off to start a new job. Well I made the cut for an interview anyway, wouldn't be surprised if someone politically connected got it over me, but might as well be optimistic and not reject myself. The job is one that will require me to do real work rather than sit at my computer on message boards, so I'll only be checking in every now and then.  Keep cleaning up the area, both environmentally and politically.

 

gma_gee03
BI-I apologize for offending
Posted: Thursday, August 30, 2007 10:39 AM

what's wrong with pigs

they may be nicer than some people i have met

     

            gee

cooker
BI-I apologize for offending
Posted: Thursday, August 30, 2007 2:10 PM

Smithmi,

 

Good luck with your new job.  Please don't make this the end of your postings.  We look forward to your fresh outlook and suggestions.  Keep them coming!

spam
Pigpen
Posted: Thursday, August 30, 2007 6:41 PM
Mr. Smith, it is time for you to take on Houghton Co., last time I noticed this item, it was out of Torch Lake Township; don't rile up the naysayers on this one in TLT politics please......They have enough opinions to write many fiction novels all by themselves.

tigger
Pigpen
Posted: Tuesday, September 04, 2007 9:45 PM

Smithmi

 

Here's an old ditty you can take with you to hum" (to any tune that fits.)

The thin-skins won't care for it at all!

 

Oh my heart was all aflutter

As I lay down in the gutter

And a pig came up and lay down by my side

Said the lady to teach the children of her pride -

You can tell a man who booses

By the company that he chooses

And the pig got up and slowly walked away

 

Good luck with your new job.

smithmi
Pigpen
Posted: Tuesday, September 11, 2007 10:43 AM

Interesting you reference Houghton,  I'm here as I write.  Yes unlike many downstaters, I do know the difference between Houghton and Houghton Lake, Torch Lake downstate and Torch Lake here.The conpany has sent me here to do some appraisal work.  City, Township (another one other that TLT), and other stuff.  Determining values for land sales, transfer to townships, and encroachment issues.

 

From what Iv'e been hearing all Houghton County and most of this area is in a mess and the state assessor's board and Treasury are after the locals to clean it up.  Same problems in Onota Twp, Alger County.  It seems that people don't respect the property ownership and right of others and are stepping all over each others lands.  No attention paid to building permits, Assessor notification, zoning or any other rule or regulations that have been put n place.  By the way the rules are generally local functions.  Locals developing the regulations, then  just as fast ignoring them..

 

Go figure,  Why would so many people be upset. 

 

Job Interview went well.  50 applied, 9 made the initical cut for interviews, three will be selected for final interview with the Governors office.  I may have to work this job till I die cause retirement will not pay as well.

 

Tip of the day: Stocks--NVAX getting ready to rocket.  could make you millions if played correctly.  do your DD and see.

smithmi
State budget
Posted: Tuesday, September 18, 2007 11:58 AM

I have been told that if a new budget is not passed by the end of the month all state services will be suspended.  My concern is with the movement of traffic across the lift bridge.

 

It is my understanding that the Coast Guard controls the waterway and all bridges will be ordered to remain in the up position so boat traffic can continue.  If this is the case and the lift bridge is placed in the upper most position, it appears the only way to the big island would be by boat and regular folks would not have access to the main land.

 

Looks like a new bridge is needed at the end near White City.

cooker
State budget
Posted: Saturday, September 22, 2007 9:47 AM
Does anyone know why the Sept. Township Board meeting date was changed?

Lynn Torkelson
Meeting change
Posted: Saturday, September 22, 2007 7:07 PM
I didn't realize it had been postponed one week until I went to Hubbell last Wednesday evening. Probably the board will explain on the 26th.

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